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Cigarettes Up to $7 a Pack With New Tax/New York City
New York Times ^ | 1 Ju,y 2002 | MICHAEL COOPER

Posted on 07/01/2002 6:16:23 AM PDT by SheLion

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg signed a bill yesterday that will raise the city's cigarette tax to $1.50 a pack beginning today. City officials and opponents of smoking say the increase will give New York the highest cigarette tax in the nation and push the price of some brands to more than $7 a pack.

"This may be the most important measure my administration takes to save people's lives," Mr. Bloomberg said before signing the bill during an unusual Sunday morning public hearing in City Hall. The timing was necessary for the law to take effect today.

Under the new law, the city's cigarette tax will grow by $1.42 from the current 8 cents a pack. On top of that, the city's smokers will have to pay the highest state cigarette tax in the nation, an additional $1.50 a pack. The two taxes will increase the price of some brands to more than $7 a pack, which is nearly double the national average.

As anti-smoking advocates praised the tax, smokers complained bitterly that the city was balancing its budget on their backs. And a representative of bodega owners warned that many stores could be driven out of business and that more smokers would buy black market cigarettes.

City officials say the new tax will bring a much-needed $111 million into the city's coffers this year, helping plug a budget shortfall of nearly $5 billion, but Mr. Bloomberg said that he viewed the measure mainly as a public health initiative.

"If it were totally up to me, I would raise the cigarette tax so high the revenues from it would go to zero," said the mayor, who has said he hopes that the higher taxes will persuade smokers to quit and will prevent children from becoming smokers.

At the hearing, Mr. Bloomberg found himself face to face with critics.

Audrey Silk, the founder of a group called Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment, testified that consenting adults should be free to engage in risky behavior if they choose, and that smokers should not be singled out for higher taxes.

Then she turned the tables on the mayor and his predilection for some junk foods.

"I know that you love to eat chunky peanut butter with bacon and bananas," she said. "How about I come out and start a campaign to tax that bacon, that's going to cause heart disease, and tax that super-chunky peanut butter that's going to kill you?"

After conferring with the city's health commissioner, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, Mayor Bloomberg said: "The health commissioner points out that this is not exactly freedom of choice, given that smoking is addictive and that the industry spends billions of dollars to get people hooked on it."

Jim Lesczynski, a former Libertarian Party candidate for City Council, testified that the tax would lead to the creation of a new black market, with illegal cigarette dealers getting into shootouts and terrorist groups like Hamas turning to cigarette smuggling to finance their activities. He told the mayor that he would be distributing free cigarettes around the city to protest the new tax. And he pointed to the portrait of Thomas Jefferson on the wall behind the mayor.

"I note with a little bit of irony," Mr. Lesczynski said, "that you're signing this bill below the picture of a gentleman farmer from Virginia who was a fan of tobacco, and not a fan of excessive taxation."

The mayor told Mr. Lesczynski not to give any free cigarettes to minors. As for the founding father, the mayor said, "the gentleman behind me, up on the picture, lived in a period where we did not have medical evidence of just what smoking does."

The city initially expected the tax increase to generate $250 million a year. But the state, which was worried that the city's higher tax, by discouraging smoking, would therefore drive down the amount of revenues expected from the state's tax, is taking roughly half the revenue generated by the city tax for itself.

A City Health Department spokeswoman, Sandra Mullin, said that with the new law, New York City would have the highest cigarette tax in the nation. The tax also won praise from groups like Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, and the American Cancer Society.

Richard Lipsky, a lobbyist for the owners of small delis, bodega owners and convenience stores, predicted in an interview that many neighborhood stores would not survive the higher tax as many smokers would buy their cigarettes over the Internet, from Indian reservations, from adjoining states or from smugglers.

But Mr. Bloomberg argued that children, at least, would find it difficult to find cheaper cigarettes. "Children, let me point out, generally don't have credit cards, so they don't go on the Internet and buy cigarettes, generally," he said. "Children don't drive, so they don't go to other states."

And he pointed out that cigarette taxes were going up steeply in New Jersey as well, and said that he had talked with Andrew J. Spano, the Westchester County executive, about the possibility of higher cigarette taxes there as well. "We're trying to get everybody in the surrounding areas to raise the cigarette tax," he said.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; tobacco
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Someone should have ask Bloomberg if he was still smoking POT!

Bloomberg Likes Pot

1 posted on 07/01/2002 6:16:24 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
Oh sure! Balance the city's budget on the backs of the smokers!

Sure, it only hurts 1 out of 4 of your constituents, Mayor RINO BLOOMBERG!

2 posted on 07/01/2002 6:18:06 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
WAKE UP PEOPLE. YOU CAN SMOKE CHEAP. IT'S YOUR CIVIC DUTY!!!
3 posted on 07/01/2002 6:19:10 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Seven bucks a pack, eh? Man,oh,man you can hear the champagne corks going off in the Mafia HQ.
4 posted on 07/01/2002 6:22:12 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Isn't this awful? Didn't they learn anything from alcohol prohibition?

And the black market is starting to boom. This is just a horrible tax increase for the adults in New York City who choose to smoke.

And Bloomberg is a CONSERVATIVE. Go figure.

5 posted on 07/01/2002 6:26:57 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Great now the blackmarket cigarette running that terrorists have been doing in the South can now be done in NYC. Thank you Mayor Bloomberg! Your financing Al Qaeda! I can't believe my only choice was to vote for this idiot.

I guess I will use Indian Reservations to buy cigarettes now. This is really going to hurt the Bodega owners.

6 posted on 07/01/2002 6:31:33 AM PDT by toupsie
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And Bloomberg is a CONSERVATIVE. Go figure.

Uh, no he's not. Mayor Pothead was a Democrat until he got the bug to run for Mayor and didn't want to run in the Primary. The only conservative that was in the mayoral race was Herman Badillo. He was beated by Bloomberg's billions in the Republican Primary.

Bloomberg is a RINO.

7 posted on 07/01/2002 6:33:43 AM PDT by toupsie
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To: toupsie
"If it were totally up to me, I would raise the cigarette tax so high the revenues from it would go to zero," said the mayor, who has said he hopes that the higher taxes will persuade smokers to quit and will prevent children from becoming smokers.

Did you read what he said? He sure is a jerk.

Thanks for the brief history. He was elected during the aftermath of 9-11, so I surely didn't know much about it.

I am in Maine, but this is WAY to close to Maine. I am afraid this will rub off.

Audrey Silk should have addressed Bloomberg as "Mayor One- Termer."

8 posted on 07/01/2002 6:42:49 AM PDT by SheLion
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"This may be the most important measure my administration takes to save people's lives,"

Nanny State at it's best!!

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

9 posted on 07/01/2002 6:45:54 AM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: SheLion
Who makes more money off of cigarettes now: Philip Morris, or the City of New York?
10 posted on 07/01/2002 6:45:56 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: yankeedame
Cigarettes for sale!..... Virginia prices!!
11 posted on 07/01/2002 6:46:29 AM PDT by bert
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To: toupsie
I have been getting cigarettes delivered for a while now from a NY Indian Tribe. Even switched brands to the Indian brand Seneca for 15 bucks a carton. I really can not see how this can help raise revenues when people are just going to buy cigarettes elsewhere.

Funny thing about the Seneca Indians. I recently found out i have part Senaca blood. My mother was given up as a baby and her birth mom was half Indian. I don't even know if my mother knew this. She died in 1989. One of my cousins told me that if you can prove 25 % part Indian that your Indian. Have you ever heard this before? Needless to say now I know why I have high cheekbones!!!

12 posted on 07/01/2002 6:46:33 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: kezekiel
Even before the new tax increase government made more off a pack of smokes than the maker of the cigarettes.
13 posted on 07/01/2002 6:48:22 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: kezekiel
Who makes more money off of cigarettes now: Philip Morris, or the City of New York?

Definitely NEW YORK CITY.

14 posted on 07/01/2002 6:48:39 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: alisasny
25% is enough for most tribes, I think. I do know from looking at Census data that the number of American Indians has increased far beyond the natural rate of increase for the size of their population in 1970, for example. In economic terms, that means it's more profitable to identify oneself as an Indian.
15 posted on 07/01/2002 6:54:44 AM PDT by Tancred
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To: SheLion
If you live in NYC and you're a smoker, you'd be crazy not to buy your cancer sticks here: www.travelingsmoke.com

And when you are comfortab;e with ordering cigaretttes from afar, order them from here: www.yessmoke.com

Bloomberg is a foolish, RINO socialist.

16 posted on 07/01/2002 6:55:42 AM PDT by DrCarl
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To: DrCarl
Bloomberg is a foolish, RINO socialist.

Of the lowest kind!

17 posted on 07/01/2002 6:57:41 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: DrCarl
My parents get cigarettes from yessmoke.com. After S+H, it comes to about $18.50/Carton for Marlboro. I would highly recommend yessmoke to any looking to reduce the cost of smoking.

Downside -- you are only allowed 5 cartons per month, or else they go through customs (roughly 1.5 packs a day).
18 posted on 07/01/2002 8:08:04 AM PDT by jae471
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To: SheLion
New York City's newest tobacco retailer:


19 posted on 07/01/2002 8:22:36 AM PDT by Dakmar
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To: SheLion
"This may be the most important measure my administration takes to save people's lives"

Un-effing-believable! In Iowa, $3.50-$4.00 per pack was enough to make me quit...(paying taxes, that is.)

www.yesmoke.com

20 posted on 07/01/2002 8:33:38 AM PDT by Grit
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